Derek Chauvin and Prison Abolitionism: A Socratic Dialogue

An admittedly grumpy composite portrayal of every conversation I’ve ever had with a “prison abolitionist”:

Me: “I think the American prison system is vile and indefensible. We lock up way way too many people for way way too long and there are tons of people in prison right now should never have served a day behind bars. Even those prisoners who really do need to be kept away from the rest of society should be held in vastly more humane conditions for shorter periods of time and the focus should be on rehabilitation. That said, I acknowledge that some form of imprisonment would almost certainly have to exist in a much better society. So I guess I’m not a prison abolitionist — just an extreme prison reductionist.”

PA: “Well, I’m definitely a prison abolitionist.”

Me: “What does that mean exactly?”

PA: “It means prisons should be abolished. I don’t think they should exist. What are you having trouble grasping here?”

Me: “So, for example, you don’t think Derek Chauvin should be put it in prison? Because it seems to me that locking up murderous cops would be a really good first step toward correcting some of the crazy power imbalances between cops and ordinary people we’ve got right now…but if you’re an abolitionist about prisons, I assume you…